4 June, 2005

16 years later

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photo via glutter

(this post will be updated throughout the day.)

Horse’s Mouth has several posts on now and then.

Glutter has photos from Hong Kong and a new banner. Also, Yan makes an excellent point about the photo I, and most others, choose to use:

"That one photo should not symbolize June 4th 1989, and what China did. It may symbolize human spirit, the hope of democracy, the devotion to the cause. It may remind us of that each of us can make a stand, and we could face the inevitable without fear. But it does not speak of June 4th 1989"

I’ve amended accordingly. (22:20: Glutter now moblogging the HK candle-light vigil)

Are things better now? Michael DeGolyer says yes, and that it may be time to stop protesting. Fons, while not mentioning 04/06/89 notes probable related incidents, but says focusing on these makes it too "easy to frame China in the classic way as an evil force." T-Salon says some things haven’t changed. False Positives says "nothing has changed."

China Digital Times is worth visiting for two CBC items. No doubt more items will follow.

Enzo has a post at Simon World detailing what happened. Simon offers his usual excellent linkage and his own thoughts: "…how would the CCP
leadership respond today? The answer is clear - in the same way. The
CCP are good at learning the lessons of history."

While many blogs are carrying the above ‘tank man’ photo Open Democracy chooses a different image.

Snarkatron has personal memories of reactions of Chinese students at grad school: "I still remember my Chinese friend, shouting into the phone at the US
editor of the Chinese government newspaper. I don’t understand a word
of Chinese, but I understood exactly what he was saying."

Gullyborg notes the massacre as a segue into a post on the value of the right to bear arms (point taken, although it seems a crass way to make it).

Rebecca MacKinnion does not forget and does not need a reminder from Glutter that there are other images besides ‘tank man.’

Peking Duck notes that the arrest of Ching Cheong, Straits Times reporter, "is going to reignite the
TSM debates, not quell them(.) Such obtuseness is hard to fathom, but I’m
afraid it exists."

what’s Ming? has more questions than answers.: "Almost every expat blogs about China would mention it and call it  Tiananmen Square Massacre. However, in my history text book, it is called Tiananmen Square Disturbance or Tiananmen Square Incident. I read some articles and watched some video clips(forbidden, of cause) and I realized it was much more than an incident.:

K-PAX人在地球 posts a link to a Joan Baez mp3.

From Mine Blogging’s Alex Hung: " On June 4th, I was disgusted to be Chinese. From that day onward, I
make sure people I meet know I am from Hong Kong, not China…I think 1989 was the year that I started the process
of becoming more western and less Chinese. I no longer care about
Chinese traditions, I embraced western values and beliefs."

TibetBlogger reproduces a Dilip D’souza article with this quote from Tenzin Tsundue: "I can never think of being party to the corrupted Communist China,
which has brutally massacred her own children on Tiananmen Square when
they demanded freedom and democracy.”… "For Indians who have long believed
Tibet must be free, it is galling to watch Indian courtship of the
Chinese."

Bring on the Revolution has a long post that warrants reading.

Maobi stops short of endorsing the massacre, although through analogy suggests that the murdered students made fine fertilizer: "Modern history now tells us that the death of the students, a treagedy
indeed, did not snuff out the nation. In fact, today China is an
economic flower that is beginning to bloom in a big way."

(Other bloggers who remember: Michelle Malkin, Big White Guy, Rambling Commoner  , Laowai19790204, LawHawk, Jawa Report, Meister Planet, Dominatio Per Malum, Babalu Blog, West Campus Insider, Supernaut, Milton J Madison, Instapundit, 1972, Rodney Hide MP, Not Quite Right, Singlish Simon, Plum Blossoms, Angry Chinese Blogger, Tim Fong. Adam Shostack, Greg Piper, Rajan, CakeEater, Andrew Cory, Ezra Klein)

by @ 11:59 pm. Filed under China, Northeast Asia

9 Responses to “16 years later”

  1. Glutterbug Says:

    I wrote extensively about “The freedom to buy is not the freedom of thought” I think people who say we should stop protesting that things are better (which in many ways they are) mix economic freedoms with political freedoms.

    It really depends on your paradigms.

    yan

  2. mike bertelsen Says:

    I remeber when I saw the events unfolding on television. Dan Rather of CBS News was pleading with a Chinese official in an army looking uniform to leave the satellite uplink alone…that the story had to be told, but to no avail….the picture went dark. I could not help but think of news suppression and control. No freedom whatsoever.

  3. Glutterbug Says:

    “I’ve ammended accordingly”

    :)

    y

  4. Jatin Says:

    That one little man standing infront of those tanks and stopping them is one of the most amazing pictures or scenes i have ever seen.

  5. anonymous Says:

    unable to open the link of ” a long post that warrants reading”. Hope the discussion here can survive the censorship.

  6. myrick Says:

    anonymous, are you in China? If so, it could be a firewall issue. E-mail me (asiapundit(at)gmail.com) and I’ll send a proxy link.

  7. Emergent Chaos Says:

    June 4th, 1989

    At our best, the United States inspires people around the world to reach for freedom and democracy. In the student led rallies in Tiananmen Square, the students built a statue of liberty as one of the centerpieces of their…

  8. The Unabrewer Says:

    June 4

    I was too wrapped up in my own needs and my recovery from my U.S. trip to notice that I was in China for an important anniversary.  You find interesting things when you're catching up on your blog reading.

    Simon's closing par…

  9. Simon World Says:

    Daily linklets 6th June

    Spirit Fingers has written about something that’s been puzzling me for a while: why the hell are Disney princesses considered fashionable clothing for middle-aged Hong Kong women? On the flipside, both JC and PB can proudly point to their trendsetting…

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