Madman of Chu has a great essay on some of the themes touched upon by US President George Bush in Japan earlier this week, and something that liberals and conservatives should be in agreement on (even you Michael, seriously Richard had something nice to say): Mainland China needs to become more like Taiwan.:

Though the success of the democratization of Taiwan is undeniable, the prospects for the “Taiwanization” of China are less than obvious. Within the first week of moving into the men’s dormitory at Tunghai University in 1987 I returned to my room to find that my American roommate Doug had been collared by a young student in the army officer’s training corps who was earnestly delivering a sermon on cross-straits politics. He explained that the situation today was analogous to the days of the early Roman Empire. Though the Christians had been a tiny, persecuted minority then they eventually were able to convert the entire realm, and the people and government of Taiwan would transform China through a comparably subtle organic process.

Doug and I smirked. At the time it seemed like more of the patriotic pabulum dished out by Taiwanese leaders at state occasions, when speeches still regularly referred to the imminent day that the army would “retake the mainland.” Taiwanese leaders no longer indulge in that kind of rhetorical bravado, but as Taiwan’s political system and economy continue to thrive the picture that young officer painted looks less and less fantastic.

Read the whole thing.

While Taiwan’s democracy does have its rough patches, such as the frequent fisticuffs in the Legislative Yuan, Asiapundit would welcome even this in China. (AP would certainly welcome fisticuffs ahead of the end of one-party rule. Central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan should give the National Development and Reform Commission’s Ma Kai a punch to the head, he deserves it.)

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, northeast asia, taiwan

While living in Singapore, the Night Safari was the first thing that AsiaPundit suggested when tourists asked what was worth seeing. After reading this report and others, I’m considering saying ‘Chiang Mai Night Safari’ when asked ‘what’s worth boycotting?’:

Kenyan conservationists are furious after the government agreed to ship wild animals to a Thai zoo that is offering its visitors a chance to eat giraffe, zebra and crocodile.

Kenya recently agreed to send 175 wild animals including giraffes, buffalos, flamingos and gazelles to the newly-built Chiang Mai Night Safari in northern Thailand. This week, the zoo announced that it would celebrate its official opening on New Year’s Day with an “exotic buffet”, where guests can pay 4,500 bhat (£64) to sample anything from dog to lion meat. The director of the zoo project, Plodprasop Suraswadi, said the animals would be legally imported and killed for the feast.

The announcement has dismayed wildlife groups in Kenya, who already had misgivings about sending wild animals to a zoo in Thailand. No endangered animals are being sent, but Richard Leakey, former head of Kenya Wildlife Services, said the plans went against the ethos of modern conservation. He added: “Some of the larger zoos do serve a useful role in education but for Kenyan animals to be sent there as a curtain-raiser for an institution that is probably serving endangered species from south-east Asia is appalling.

“What this zoo is doing is serving bushmeat - and bushmeat is one of the greatest conservation challenges of the 21st century.”

Thailand already has a reputation for being a trading centre for the illegal trafficking of endangered species, and Thai wildlife groups have said the menu will confuse visitors about the real objectives of the zoo.The problem with the ‘bush meat’

Africa is lousy with zebra, and one of AsiaPundit’s signature barbecue dishes is “tequila-marinated crocodile fajita.” However, this goes against the concept of a ‘zoo’ as a refuge that modern institutions generally hold dear. More disturbing is that a report linked to by Maganoy’s Samsara mentions that tiger - endangered everywhere - is also on the menu.

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, southeast asia, thailand

AsiaPundit welcomes this piece of news.:

After the overwhelmingly positive response to the recent announcement that they would begin trading housing-price futures next year, an anonymous source at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange has informed us that they are now planning to make the trading of Tamiflu futures available as well.

In fact, with more reports of housing having already peaked and with the news of H5N1 spreading in China, there is said to be a raging internal debate regarding which one to make available first.

Tamiflu futures, based on the median price for a ten count package of 75 mg capsules from reputable Canadian online pharmacies, are being made available to Tamiflu owners who seek to hedge the gains they have made since buying supplies of this anti-viral drug immediately after the Avian flu became front page news just a few months ago.

Unfortunately it’s all made up, a Tamiflu market would be a useful tool to measure demand and researchers have evidence that futures market is a relatively good predictor of flu outbreaks.

Technorati Tags: asia, bird flu, china, east asia, northeast asia

Andy at the Marmot’s (new) Hole spots a misunderstanding in a USA Today item.:

I was reading about the President Bush’s trip to Korea, we I came across this:

When the women stopped singing, he approached them, and the choir members surrounded him, bowing and giggling. “Thank you all,” he said. “Be careful, don’t fall,” he said to some who pressed in close. Bush reached over and around them to try to shake each woman’s hand and lingered for photos. In one last shot, one of the women held up a peace sign.

Emphasis mine. Apparently nobody told the report that it was not a ‘peace’ sign but in fact a ‘ubiquitous V that most young Asians feel obliged to make whenever having their picture taken’ sign.

Somebody needs to take a cultural sensitivity class.

The item was likely filed by the paper’s White House correspondent, who was evidently not briefed on the ubiquitous ‘v-sign’ that appears in photos taken throughout in Asia, whether it’s Vietnam, Japan, Thailand or Taiwan. One Singapore blogger has even started the Sexy V-girls site.

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, northeast asia, v-sign, south korea, southeast asia

The Lost Nomad points to something I wish I had discovered earlier. BBC reporter Adam Brookes has a sanctioned blog on George Bush’s Asian tour.:

Now, the leaders are heading for their hotels to ready themselves for the “Gala Dinner and Cultural Performance.”

Ah yes, the menu. Scallop and ginseng salad. Chestnut porridge. Beef with pine mushrooms.

Kimchi, the sinus-shattering pickled cabbage.

And a rice wine flavoured with mushrooms - which the teetotal president will presumably avoid.

Saturday will see the uber-pack leave Busan early.

We will miss what must be one of the most mawkish moments of global statesmanship - all 21 Apec leaders must don an article of national dress from the host country. Then they all stand together and have their photo taken.

Here in Busan they will wear the durumagi, a sort of Korean coat decorated with “ancient Korean symbols”.

“It’s a race between the president and Putin to see who can take it off first”, said one White House official.

I don’t expect Bush will be wearing the durumagi much in D.C. or Crawford. I expect he’d prefer the leather bomber jacket and denim shirt that Bill Clinton got at APEC 1997.

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, media, northeast asia, south korea, korea

Fons picks up on the new Markle Foundation study on the attitudes of Chinese Internet users:

A new survey of professor Guo Liang of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences into the 103 million Chinese internet users has come up with some interesting material. Here is the survey in pdf-format.

The survey, presented on Thursday at the Brookings Institute in the US was the second done with international funding of also the Markle foundation and has already widely been quoted in the US media, like the International Herald Tribune and CNN. A few of the key findings, according to CNN:

- The overwhelming majority of Chinese feel some Internet content — such as pornography and violence — should be regulated;

- although the average Chinese Internet user spends nearly three hours a day online, 75 percent have never made an Internet purchase and 42 percent never use a search engine.

- Eighty-five percent spend their time viewing mainland Chinese-language content, while only three percent viewed overseas foreign language content.

In another post, Fons also notes what he sees as bias on the part of AFP:

AFP really had a to open their article on the new Guo Liang report today. It read: “Internet in China may become powerful political tool. Of course, they quoted Guo correctly by letting hem say:

The Internet is supposed to be the information highway but according to our survey, for many Internet users in China, it is an entertainment highway.

But that did not stop them from giving their own political bias to his words. As they wrote further on:

But survey respondents had “strong expectations” that the Internet would change politics in China, which is today — according to global media watchdog Reporters without Borders — the “world’s biggest prison for cyber-dissidents.”

My estimation is that in this case ‘change’ means something different for the internet users than for AFP.

I would agree that China’s Internet users, and particularly bloggers, have very different attitudes to censorship and the leadership of the communist party than their western counterparts. However, I haven’t met any who don’t want to see change. That may not mean an end to the one-party state, but the Chinese like everyone else would like efficient government and the elimination of corruption. To quote the study: “According to statistical results of the World Internet Project, more people in China than in other countries believe that the Internet will have a positive impact on political transparency.”

Further:

Among the respondents, 62.8% “agreed” or “strongly agreed” that by using the Internet people will acquire better knowledge of politics, 60.4% “agreed” or “strongly agreed” that higher-level government officials will better understand the common people’s views through the Internet, 55.3% “agreed” or “strongly agreed” that with the Internet people have more opportunities to criticize government policy and 45.1% “agreed” or “strongly agreed” that by using the Internet, people have more opportunities to express their political views.

Does AFP reveal a political bias? Probably, all reporters and writers have a political bias - my editors usually stomp mine out before publication (even though as a financial reporter I feel my ‘free-market’ bias probably goes over well with the readership). But Fons, you title your post “internet - Users want government control…,” that may be true from one part of the study cited - on porn and violence, specifically - but it may reveal one of your biases. From my reading and the above statistics, a better headline would be “Internet - Users want governmental change.”

But that’s just my bias.

Technorati Tags: asia, china, east asia, media, northeast asia

The invaluable Danwei reports on a by-product of the Super Girls craze that the promoters are not happy about, and notes something that Asiapundit has been trying to work into a post for some time: in post-communist China “comrade” has become a term of self-identification for gays.:

Remember Mu Zimei condoms? Bill Clinton condoms? Eventually it had to happen to Super Girls. This news is from the Beijing Times:

Yesterday at the Third Family Planning and Reproductive Health Technology Exhibition in Beijing’s Agricultural Center, “condoms named ‘Super Girls’ (超级女声) and ‘Female Music Troupe’ (女子乐坊) aroused great interest”.

According to the Beijing Times, the companies that own Super Voice Girls (the televised singing contest) and 12 Girls Group (a group of young Chinese women who play traditional instruments) “have expressed that they cannot accept such usage”.

The condoms, produced by Guilin Latex Factory, are especially designed for oral sex. Factory director Tao Ran said that oral sex condoms are one of their newest products. Apparently the condoms are not yet available on the market.

Mr Tao went on to explain the reason behind the names: the images of a Super Girls contestant singing into the microphone and a female musician playing the flute are “highly reminiscent of the act that this condom is intended for.”

Another new product introduced by the enthusiastic Mr Tao was a condom specially for homosexuals, named ‘Comrade’ (同志 — Chinese slang for gay). Other news from the Third Family Planning and Reproductive Health Technology Exhibition: sex toys are selling very well, with most purchases being made by women.

Technorati Tags: asia, china, east asia, northeast asia

Which came first, Godzilla or King Kong?:

Scientific American—First came a new report on Gigantopithecus, a huge prehistoric ape that inevitably invites comparisons to King Kong because of the imminent release of the film remake by the same name. And now comes the discovery of Dakosaurus andiniensis, a monstrous species of 135-million-year-old aquatic crocodile that has been nicknamed “Godzilla.” The synchronicity of these reports can mean only one thing: People of Tokyo, run for your lives.

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, japan, northeast asia, godzilla

Artist Michael Paulus has done the world a favor by showing us what the evil mouthless one from Sanrio looks like under the fur and flesh.:

These Icons are usually grotesquely distorted from the human form from which they derive. Being that they are so commonplace and accepted as existing I thought I would dissect them like science does to all living objects — trying to come to an understanding as to their origins and true physiological make up. Possibly to better understand them and see them in a new light for what they are in the most basic of terms.

(h/t Gaijin Biker)

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, hello kitty, japan, northeast asia

Singapore, a country where the 10-dollar bill is pink, has decided to stop chasing ‘pink dollar’ tourism, something that has been a boon to tsunami-hit Phuket (Bloomberg via Singabloodypore):

Singapore hosted the first four Nation parties on Sentosa Island — soon to be home to a new casino. After the first three passed relatively unnoticed, 8,000 revelers turned up for Nation IV last year and local television news broadcast footage of the party, touching nerves in a state where gay sex remains illegal. Police refused a license for Nation V, and Singapore’s health ministry claimed the party was linked to a rise in HIV infections.

Phuket was more than willing to step in, said Suwalai Pinpradab, regional director of the tourism authority. Sulawai said she hopes Nation becomes an annual event on the island and anticipates bigger crowds if it gets the go-ahead next year, once deterrents such as the tsunami, Bali bombings and Pakistan earthquake no longer keep revelers away from Asia.

“It’s a good start. I talked to some of the participants and they’re happy,'’ she said via telephone. “They’re very good spenders compared to ordinary tourists because they had nine parties while they were in Phuket — day and night.'’

Gay-Friendly

Singapore’s fourth and final Nation generated an estimated S$10 million for the city state’s economy, said Fridae.com’s Koe. Attendees pay $220 each for unlimited-access tickets, on top of spending for accommodation, food, shopping and drinks.

That’s a boost for Phuket, where credit card spending fell 26 percent this year as of Sept. 24, compared with growth of 27 percent in December, according to Visa International Inc., the world’s largest card-payment network.

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, singapore rebel, southeast asia, thailand

Americans will forever hold December 7, 1941 as “a day that will live in infamy.” Unfortunately, the events of that date seem to be absent from the textbooks of the People’s Liberation Army’s officers’ training program. Via Rand Corp’s presentation to U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission:

At least some Chinese military analysts believe that the United States is sensitive to casualties and economic costs and that the sudden destruction of a significant portion of our forces would result in a severe psychological shock and a loss of will to continue the conflict. When this principle is combined with the preceding two, it suggests a belief that a preemptive surprise attack on U.S. forces in the Pacific theater could cause the United States to avoid further combat with China. It does not need to be pointed out to this panel that the last time such a strategy was attempted in the Pacific the ultimate results were not altogether favorable for the country that tried it, but the Chinese military doctrinal writings we examined in this study did not acknowledge the existence of such historical counter examples.

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The Whore of Babylon is a mouthless cat from the land of Sanrio. If not, the evil Kitty can at least be equated with Mammon. Her ‘barf bags’ now start at $10 US.

If you are lucky enough to travel by the Hello Kitty plane on Taipei-Japan routes, don’t leave the airsickness bag behind and do collect other’s bags (unused ones, I suppose). The starting bid at auction website for an airsickness bag with an adorable mouthless cat (no less!) is HK$120 / US$15, according to Hong Kong Apple Daily.

A Hello Kitty airsickness bag = 10 Big Mac.

Since LfC reported on the auctions Hello Kitty air-sickness bags have had a starting price of $10 on eBay, as can be seen in this auction.:

EVA AIRLINE A330 HELLO KITTY Sickness Barf Bag ,NEW , ONLY ON FUKUOKA LINE CAN GET IT.Winner pays 3 dollars for shipping worldwide. Registered mail $ 2 extra.

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, japan, taiwan, hello kitty

ChinaRant has been toasted at the great firewall.:

whats happening? is it blocked in all of china? or is it just me?

i can still get into the weblog type pad but not view the site….

can anything be done?

OK>>>>>> NOW I CANT EVEN GET IN WITH THE OTHER LINK>>>>>>>>>

did someone piss of the commies?

Traceroute image from Shanghai Linkwan server. AsiaPundit continues to be blocked as part of a broader block on TypePad sites.

UPDATE: China Law Prof blog is also down.

I am sorry to announce that some users in China have again found this blog blocked. Another user reports that he can still access it, so apparently the blocking is not complete. As readers will know, this blog is not exactly a hotbed of anti-Communist Party propaganda. I can only see these problems as a sign of the increasingly paranoid information control being exercised by the Hu-Wen government.:

Technorati Tags: censorship, china, east asia, northeast asia

Hooray (kind of), China has finally started to admit the potential severity of the avian flu (sort of).:

While there have been nearly 150 human cases of H5N1 bird flu elsewhere in Asia, officially, China has denied any human cases until today. Shanghaiist has been somewhat skeptical about the rest of the world’s apparent lack of skepticism, even before reading SCMP reports about unannounced outbreaks elsewhere in hard-hit Liaoning province, where guards placed to keep outsiders from entering affected villages warn passersby of human deaths within. A hodge-podge of conflicting information on outbreaks and human cases and a barrage of denials from various local officials (including one who was arrested for certifying the health of bird-flu-infected chickens), even after outbreaks have been officially announced gives Shanghaiist the unsettling feeling that the entire situation will inevitably blow up a la SARS 2003. And all of the laudatory international recognition for the way Beijing has handled bird flu thus far seems to completely ignore what really matters: the (questionable) accountability of local officials at the site of unfolding outbreaks, and how well-equipped they are to handle bird flu.

Technorati Tags: asia, bird flu, china, east asia, northeast asia

Report: North Korea Just Enjoys Nuclear Talks

November 16, 2005 | Issue 41•46

WASHINGTON, DC—The Bulletin Of The Atomic Scientists published a report Tuesday revealing what the international community has long suspected: The government of North Korea simply enjoys nuclear talks. “After years of protracted talks about strategic versus domestic nuclear programs and launch and delivery tactics, it’s become increasingly evident that North Korea’s stalling tactics stem from a deep desire to chat about nukes,” said Ambassador Linton Brooks, chief of the National Nuclear Security Administration. “We are beginning to think that behind all this nuclear brinksmanship are 12 high-level scientists and politicians who enjoy getting together, kicking back, and making a weekend out of it.” Although North Korea Prime Minister Pak Pong Ju had no comment on the report, members of his cabinet said they “would be delighted” to get together and discuss the matter further.

The Onion article, via Arms Control Wonk, is almost believable. If you can be sure of anything it’s that Beijing would have much better cappucino than Pyongyang.

Technorati Tags: asia, northeast asia, north korea

Friskodude pulls together a collection of light-hearted stereotype jokes. You know you’re an (ethnicity/nationality) when…

You Know You’re Indonesian When…

Your stomach growls when you don’t eat rice for a day.

You believe kecap ABC could turn bad cooking to gourmet food.

You talk during a movie.

You eat fried rice in the morning.

You prefer Versace or Moschino jeans over Gap or Levi’s.

You don’t think Jim Carrey is funny.

You Know You’re Chinese When:

You unwrap Christmas gifts very carefully, so you can save and reuse the wrapping (and especially those bows) next year.

You only buy Christmas cards after Christmas, when they are 50% off.

When there is a sale on toilet paper, you buy 100 rolls and store them in your closet or in the bedroom of an adult child who has moved out.

You have a vinyl table cloth on your kitchen table.

Your stove is covered with aluminum foil.

You use the dishwasher as a dish rack.

You Know You’re Malaysian When…

You complain about the quality of the pirated DVD you just purchased. "What, RM10 for DVD5?! Aiyah, boss … sound no good, cheaperlah …"

You’re willing to consume sambal petai and durian and gladly suffer the bloating and wind-breaking incidents.

You’re exceedingly polite to the Mat Sallehs but you slag your own kind. "Hello, sir. Why don’t you sit here, it?s got the best view of the city skyline." But, "Aunty-ah, your table is over there next to the kitchen."

You order Maggi goreng and fried chicken, complain about how oily the food is, and then proceed to finish it anyway.

Also see you know you’re a Korean, Japanese and Indian when…

Technorati Tags: asia, china, east asia, indonesia, japan, malaysia, northeast asia, singapore, southeast asia

HK Dave reports that Chongqing has decided its biggest tourist attraction is its women, and that they have a special slimming regiment.:

To paraphrase, of course, the chorus of the famous Beach Boys tune. I have read, shall we say, with interest, that the city government has declared their women the city’s top tourist attraction. Apparently the Sichuan babes from Chongqing (yes that’s Chungking for you Nationalists and HK Indian food-lovers) trumped the city’s other major export - oops, I mean attraction, Sichuan hotpot.

I mean, I have heard from everyone that’s been there that the city is an ugly place, but I do find it strange that the city government would declare open season on its own women for legions of domestic tourists, many with a penchant for whoring. Allow me to quote in closing for the city’s explanation of why their women are the hottest:

The city’s climate and migrant background have made it a place famous for beautiful women, the paper said. High humidity and cloudy skies are good for their skin, while the bumpy roads and spicy food help to shape their slim figures, it said.

See Chongqing, we have beautiful women and bumpy roads!

Singaporean men who are too desperate for the government’s Single Desperate & Ugly Social Development Unit’s matchmaking service have also been known to favor Chongqiing.

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Wonkette brings us news that Thailand has decided that no pandas should be born out of wedlock.:

Many thanks to Thailand for being the first country to take steps against the epidemic of out-of-wedlock panda births. The Thai zoo’s two pandas are presumed to start mating soon, “But the zoo wanted them to be married first.” Of course. Single-panda motherhood is well known to be the root cause of rising panda unemployment and high crime rates in panda neighborhoods. Did you know that in America, there are more pandas in zoos than in college?

(h/t Magnoy’s Samsara)

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, southeast asia, thailand

Thailand has joined Singapore and Canada in introducing shock health warning photos on cigarette packs. Boing Boing has a post with links to galleries.:

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Following the revelation that Malaysian’s prefer to have sex in washrooms, TV Smith produces the definitive guide.:

In the recent 2005 Durex Global Sex Survey, Malaysians overwhelmingly picked the toilet as the preferred place for shagging outside a bedroom. In view of this prevalent practice, Dua Sen presents the definitive guide to toilet bonking…

Where:

Recommended:

• Unisex toilets: Beach Club, Passion, Loft, Thai Club, Liquid KL

• Spacious toilets: Imbi Food Court, KL, Press Club of KL.

• Lonely toilets: Shell Station, Batu 13 Ulu Langat.

• Artistic toilets: Pudu Complex (excellent erotic graffiti on doors).

Not recommended:

• Rajooz Curry House PJ - Stack of dirty dishes inside.

• The Mall KL - The doors are about 3 or 4 feet high.

• Boutique Toilet KLCC - Will people who won’t pay for a room pay RM 4 for a toilet?

• LRT Stations - Gadget mounted to prevent squatting over bowl hinders smooth sex.

• Zouk KL - Bouncers get upset.

• Toilets for the handicapped - Peter Tan gets really upset.

Technorati Tags: asia, east asia, malaysia, southeast asia

Joi Ito has been named one of the 10 most powerful women in the blogosphere. While I think this may be a politically correct effort to get a male in the list, congratulations are still in order. Great stuff Joi!

8. Joi Ito of Technorati (http://joi.ito.com ) has her hands in a lot of Web 2.0 companies, some you might not even know about yet. This makes her damn powerful. Often times the one you don’t know that well is the most powerful. My personal favorite because she seems to help people get shit done.

(h/t JalanSutra)

Technorati Tags: japan, media, blogs

Thailand used to boast Southeast Asia’s most free press. From Magnoy’s Samsara, more grim news about the decline that press conditions have seen in the past few years.:

The gloom lurking over the Thai media grew darker last week when a prominent journalist in Pattaya was brutally slain and a bomb exploded at the Bangkok headquarters of a media company.

Media advocates observe that the incidents follow a series of events that form a concerted effort to block public access to balanced information.

The recent attacks on media freedom have become more violent and are a grim reminder of the harassment endured by the media during the reign of dictators in the past.

“The two incidents suggest a new and disturbing trend of violence,” said Christopher Warren, president of the International Federation of Journalists. He has called upon authorities to expedite bringing the culprits to justice.

On Tuesday last week, the body of Santi Lammaninin, publisher of Pattaya Post, was found in his car on the side of an isolated road. He was shot three times, twice in the head, blindfolded and hog-tied. His paper had published reports on prostitution syndicates operating in hotels that led to the transfer of police officers out of shady but remunerative positions in Pattaya.

Technorati Tags: asia, censorship, east asia, media, thailand, southeast asia

Tomorrow has removed its link to . An understandable move as they are all public bloggers and the video has been banned by Singapore’s Ministry of Propaganda Media Development Authority.:

Recommended by virgin_undergrad: “If you were to recall, Martyn See made headlines a couple of months ago when he was investigated by the police and allegedly forced to withdraw his short film ‘Singapore Rebel’ from the Singapore International Film Festival. It wasn’t until i googled ’singapore’ under the google’s video search did i realise that the video was available on the internet.

Technorati Tags: censorship, east asia, media, southeast asia, singapore rebel, singapore

With the US State Department issuing terror alert warnings for Guangzhou and other areas, it’s refreshing to see that the capital has started taking precautions.:

This sign I noticed in the Sanlitun diplomatic compound in Beijing: You are not allowed to blow up your car! Not sure if it is a temporary sign (Mr. Bush will visit Beijing this week) or whether it has been here longer already. Or does it mean something else?

Technorati Tags: asia, china, east asia, northeast asia